the first D&D game, that has D&D in the title!

While I haven't seen the information regarding these, I'm personally quite apprehensive based on what you said. D&D is a small party based game (with [b]A DM![/b] something that ISN'T going to happen in an MMORPG), and to have a party of like 40 people, some major balance changes would have to be done. If they are keeping the statistical system of D&D, then it's going to be unlike most MMORPGs. Neverwinter Nights was/is the closest thing to capturing D&D in a graphical, online style (too bad all of the campaigns sucked for such play, not to mention the first one sucking even for single player... but that's another time and place). For this to be a true MMORPG in the vein of the ones to have come before it, the play balance and system of normal D&D is going to get messed with, which would cause Striker to not buy it. Playing D&D online with OPnPW is as far as I like to go, thank you, and it won't cause me to shell out $50 plus $10-15/month plus $30 per expansion pack, which there will probably be a lot of.

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point and case. I dunno how the game is going to turn out, and you're right there will be no DM; instead your computer will relay information and the server will relay information back, hence a processor, rather than a DM. a DM creates a world, but no world is needed to be created, because a [b]m[/b]assive one already exists. Parties have no limits, it's just that most dm's can't handle having 40 players in a party, but since this processor has no feeling, it doesn't mind having 40 players and calculating out 40 turns in 6 seconds realtime at the same moment, also factoring in initiative, it's a [b]m[/b]ultiplayer environment, much like D&D but also much more extravagent and much more large scale. it's [b]o[/b]nline, and hence some of the originality of our tabletop D&D will be lost, without a DM and custom made worlds some of the creativity and strange actions like "i try to seduce her" are lost, but in a positive, you need not to wait for a DM to become available, have no disputes as far as rules, because the processor has them all set already and memorized, and the fact that as i mentioned before you CAN play with 4 000 000 people on a server at once, maybe even have a rave or two with orcs in hanging cages dancing almost nude and elves shooting fireworks arrows in the air...you know. and as far as [b]rpg[/b]'s go, this is the original, Dungeons and dragons, it's about time someone at least tried to make a computer game with it's namesake....i just hope it lives up to it's title. and hence, [b]MMORPG[/b].

If they keep true to the D&D system, it has a chance of being good, but I still likely won't shell out the money for it.

And you didn't address any of my points, except the DM one, to which I say, a DM will always be superior to a computer, at least until the computer can replicate the human mind. I'm sure all the hacking and slashing players out there will love this, but it will never be much more than that, along with some social interaction. Combat is not why I play D&D, and with an MMORPG most things are centered around combat- well, more accurately, gaining experience (however you go about it), something that is also not the reason I play D&D.

[color=darkred]MMORPGs suck and I will never pay for such a game once and then pay for it again every few months again.

With that aside, I read a tiny bit on this subject [there's actually three games coming out. One is set in FR ([i]Demonstone[/i], nonMMORPG), one is set in the new world Ebberon ([i]Dragonshard[/i], nonMMORPG), and the other is also set in Ebberon ([i]Dungeons and Dragons Online[/i], MMORPG)]. The games are being published by Atari. I, however, have not seen a single screenshot. Perhaps you could provide happy linkage, Solace?[/color]

Hehe... its soooooooo funny watching people roleplay over EQ... its actually rather pathetic..

But aside from that... I heart Ebberon! Its got some perty cool stuffs, and having a game built off of it should turn out to be rather amazing. I am buying it (probably not the MMORPG, but you never know, if I have money I want to waste and an addiction I want to start... then sure, why not?)

They did a review of Dnd Online in electric gameplay that day. The spokesperson of the game said that it will contain all the rules from d&d 3.5e but they will be hidden so that others who aren't familiar with d&d rules at all can still enjoy it. So basically when you are attacking or performing a skill the computer is doing all the stuff for you, the player only sees the outcome (But he did say the players will be very involved in combat so that they don't just sit there and watch their character fight..however he didn't explain how). Here's few screenshots.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ddonline/screenindex.html (they look pretty friggin awesome,don't they?)

It will contain all the d&d monsters, four races to choose from (humans, halflings, dwarves, and elves) and all the classes.

This will also have lot of quests and it will be an interactive world where every action you take will have a consequence (every online game says that nowdays..).

I am guessing it will be similar to ToEE except the d&d combat stuff will be more hidden to make it look like general rpg combat like the one they use in Everquest.

as far as i am concerned i think the name DND should be taken off the title =\. as far as i am concerned the only thing the two will have in common is the system it uses. but then again lets count ALL the other RPG games that use similar systems in order to play. i believe dnd with no dm is no fun for me.

[quote="Darklook"]and it will be an interactive world where every action you take will have a consequence (every online game says that nowdays..). [/quote]

LMAO... I dare say that's impossible in an MMORPG unless you're a high level character (as in "at the level cap").

[quote="Darklook"]I am guessing it will be similar to ToEE except the d&d combat stuff will be more hidden to make it look like general rpg combat like the one they use in Everquest.[/quote]

ToEE was turn-based. :D

Yeah, I doubt this will have initiative roll system though therefore eliminating the need of turns, not to mention it's an online game, and I have rarely seen an online game use turn based combat system.

cloestest thing to that would be..... [url]http://www.fairyland.com.my/[/url]

behold the cheeseyness that is. other then that only other turned based type game would/could be FFXI but even thats a stretch

god damn, i'm so proud my topic sparked lots of redplies, anyways here's a link to turbine, it has assloads of screenshots (i think 49) all of them are pretty sick, but midn you your game will NOT look this cool, these shtos were probably taken from game shots run on an alienware lx that runs you in the hole 8 thousand dollars at least

[url=http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/dndonline.php]this one is for Q&A[/url]
[url=http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ddonline/screenindex.html]and this is for those 49 screenshots[/url]
i think they look pretty decent, and all mmorpg's have GM's that make quests, which are like assistant dm's that can add fun stuff to the game, easter eggs, and holiday traditions. tons of npc's hold out simple dumb quests, but quests nonetheless and some of em can be confusing as all hell (aka, pointless). and i agree in one sense, a real DM makes a FAR more creative game, but a computer can process, like i mentioned in my earlier post 40 people in one party. that's a big ass party. i've dm'ed a lot of games but i'd kill myself after one round in a 40 person game. seriously, i'd just beat myself with the biggest dice there. it's painful to do that much math with only 6 seconds passing in the game[/url]

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[color=darkred]You posted the same screens as Dark did. I wanted to see this beholder screenshot. That'd be sweet.[/color]

it's in the most recent PC gamer magazine, perhaps back an issue, it has a big article titled "30 Years of D&D" I first saw the magazine at Karlth's house, and then again at a friend's house, where i actually read it as opposed to looking at the funny picture that said "We gave boss monsters their first job" and "We invented god mode" maybe we're a little more pretentious than other games....that had that one picture with the beholder, let me see if i can find it online, if i can i'll edit this post and put a link

EDIT:
[url=http://www.pcgamer.com/inthisissue.html]here's a link for the issue[/url] of pcgamer the whole 30th anniversary D&D is in, and also that picture, i'm still looking for the picture itself though...

I didn't really hear much about Demonstone or Dragonstone. I looked them up and they look pretty good and since I am never going to pick up and mmorpg again I will probably get one of the two.

http://www.atari.com/us/games/demonstone/xbox?PHPSESSID=be44cfd6bb1ebe9a...

Here's a demonstone movie, you can guess what the gameplay will look like.

And here's Dragonshard

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/dungeons-dragons-rts/536698p1.html

It says they are trying to make it a real time strategy game and by the looks of it, it looks really good. Check out the screenshot in second page, I am thinking this game might have lot of mass combat situations(which i have never seen in a dnd game). Right now I am leaning toward getting this one.

/me drools... that looks.... hot..

[quote="Solace"]but midn you your game will NOT look this cool[/quote]

I betcha mine and Saber's will. Nyah nyah. 8)

Oh yeah, and that Dragonshard RTS thingy looks pretty cool, that I might actually consider getting. Looks like it won't be your traditional clickfest if they make it the way they said they were going to. Of course, you never know if they will stick to the ideas they outline or scrap it for something easier to do. :D

What, no gnomes!?

Yeah.. I noticed that too, but didnt say anything.. I was more so thinking... Wait, this is supposed to be set in Ebberon... where did the Changelings/Shifters/Warforged/other guys go? Meh.. still sounds cool..